Main idea
This teaching is worth studying slowly: listen for the main truth, the Scripture underneath it, and the practical step it asks of you.
Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks
May 19, 2026 · 24 min
Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever continue their conversation on raising up leaders, exploring the connection between discipleship, evangelism, and church planting, how to measure ministry fruitfulness beyond numbers, and what it means to…
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Main idea
This teaching is worth studying slowly: listen for the main truth, the Scripture underneath it, and the practical step it asks of you.
In plain English
Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever continue their conversation on raising up leaders, exploring the connection between discipleship, evangelism, and church planting, how to measure ministry fruitfulness beyond numbers, and w
Key Scripture
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Real-life application
Questions to sit with
5-minute recap rhythm
1. Name the main truth.
2. Open the key Scripture.
3. Save one note you can live this week.